Caeser: We're here with Pat Cahill from Stuck. Pat , my first question is how did Stuck get started. Pat: Well, the band started about 3 years ago. But the actual original team of collaborators, which are Chisa and myself go back a long ways, like 11 years. C:What do you think makes the band unique? P: The Stick is part of it. I can't think of another band in New York right now where the Stick is the prominent instrument. We're also trying to draw from a slightly different bag of musical influences than the typical band in New York. C: Do you see rock music as evolutionary? P: Rock, as a description for something, it has seem to lost it's meaning in terms of describing an art form. The only thing about rock that still makes sense is that it's supposed to be this kind of music that makes you feel young, vital, and alive and is supposed to have something to do with not being square. You know what I mean? I think it's kind of lost it's relevance as a descriptive term. C: Do you think music today has any social relevance? Whether it's somebody like Dylan who is overtly political or somebody like the Spice Girls who are just vacuous pop. P: The powers that be have figured how to take this stuff and homogenize it and work it and get every kind of revenue center and profit center out of it that they can possibly get out of it. I believe that hip hop is the new, or it was at least new for a brief period of time, it was somehow new and culturally relevant but it seems even that has moved into this superbowl cheese region already. C: I think in one of the things in rock and roll's history is that it was a unifying factor for young people in the underculture. Do you think that all the diversions in rock music, all the different styles, have made it impossible for it to be a unifying factor culturally any longer? P: I think there's something going on now that's weird which is, and I'll give an example, this is a little off topic forgive me but I'll try to get us back on track. I think that for young people who are in what is, and must be a completely natural human search for identity there's a fear of turning on the TV and seeing yourself parodied in a Coca-Cola commercial. And the mechanisms for the Coca-Cola's of the world, to recognize something vital and adopt it, have allowed for a faster and faster cycle like that. They wonder why people do self-destructive things, people do strange things, and it's because they're searching for something that won't end up in a Coca-Cola commercial.